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- IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)
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- REPORT FROM THE TELECONFERENCE
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- SEPTEMBER 12TH, 1991
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- Reported by:
- Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary
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- This report contains
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- - Meeting Agenda
- - Meeting Attendees
- - Meeting Notes
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- Please contact IESG Secretary Greg Vaudreuil
- (iesg-secretary@nri.reston.va.us) for more details on any particular topic.
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- Meeting Attendees
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- Borman, David / CRAY
- Callon, Ross / DEC
- Chiappa, Noel
- Crocker, Dave / DEC
- Coya, Steve / CNRI
- Davin, Chuck / MIT
- Gross, Philip / ANS
- Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
- Hinden, Robert / BBN
- Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI
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- Regrets
- Almquist, Philip / Consultant
- Crocker, Steve / TIS
- Estrada, Susan / CERFnet
- Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
- Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
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- Agenda
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- 1) Administrivia
- - Bash the Agenda
- - Review of the Minutes
- - July 30th - Aug 2nd. (Pending Gross's review)
- - August 8th (Pending Gross's review)
- - August 15th (Pending Gross review)
- - August 29 (pending Gross review)
- - September 5
- - Open Plenary
- - Meeting Schedule
- - Bi-monthly meetings>
- - Special topics meetings?
- - Schedule next meeting
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- 2) Protocol Actions (See Appendix for recommendations)
- - Multi-protocol Interconnect over Frame Relay
- <draft-ietf-iplpdn-ipoverframerelay-03>
- - Inverse ARP <draft-ietf-iplpdn-inarp-02>
- - IGP Applicability Statement <draft-iesg-commonigp-00.txt>
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- 3) Technical Management
- - Routing Architecture discussion (Noel)
- - Routing Criterion Document
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- Minutes
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- 1) Administrivia
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- 1.1 Bash the Agenda
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- The X500 protocol recommendations were deferred until next week
- so that Ross Callon could participate.
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- 1.2. Approval of the Minutes
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- No action was taken on the large set of non-approved minutes. The
- IESG is still waiting for Phill Gross's editorial comments.
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- Minutes for September 5th were not available for review.
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- 1.3. Bi-weekly meetings
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- The IESG has been meeting weekly for many months now. This aggressive
- schedule was begun to reduce the backlog of actions in the beginning
- of this year. To reduce the time demands on area directors and the
- IETF Secretariat, the IESG will reduce it's meeting rate to every
- other week.
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- 1.4 Schedule Next Meeting
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- The next teleconference was scheduled for September 19th, and a second
- teleconference was scheduled for October 3rd.
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- 2.1. Multi-protocol over Frame Relay
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- The IESG requested the author of the multi-protocol interconnect
- document to change the emphasis of the document to IP over Frame
- Relay. The IESG requested this change in deference to what it saw as
- IAB desire to limit the scope of the document to IP issues and to
- avoid usurping the authority of other standards bodies to make
- standards for Frame Relay. The working group chairman and the author
- of the document reacted strongly to this change in emphasis arguing
- that liaison with the relevant standards bodies has occurred and the
- issues raised by the IAB have been addressed in the document as it was
- submitted.
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- #
- # 45 minutes worth of stuff on IESG-IAB Interaction Pen-Up'ed
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- In resulting dialogue, it became clear to the IESG that the Working
- Group has addressed the concerns of the IAB to the extent they were
- expressed in response to the IESG's heads-up message.
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- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Modify the Multi-Protocol Interconnect
- recommendation to address the concerns of the IAB in respect to liaison
- activities of the Working Group and ANSI. Work with George Clapp to
- get the wording, and send to IAB when finished.
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- 2.2 Inverse ARP
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- The IESG reviewed the latest version of the Inverse ARP document and
- was not satisfied with the new working of the rational section. To
- resolve this editorial matter, Noel Chiappa was tasked to work
- directly with the author to craft appropriate wording.
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- ACTION: Noel Chiappa -- Work with the author of the Inverse ARP
- specification to write up the wording for the rational section.
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- ACTION: Greg Vaudreuil -- Send the IESG recommendation immediately
- after posting of the Inverse ARP document as an Internet Draft.
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- 3.3 Routing Criterion
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- The ``IESG Recommendation for Interior Gateway Protocols'' has been up
- for review in the internet-drafts directory for over a month, and is
- ready to be sent to the IAB.
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- ACTION: Vaudreuil -- Send the recommendation to publish the IGP
- statement as an Applicability Statement.
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- 3. Technical Management Issues
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- 3.1 Routing Architecture Discussion
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- The folks working on the Inter Domain Policy Routing protocols have
- expressed a desire to publish their work as a proposed standard. This
- work is very interesting and deserves wider exposure and
- implementation. Chiappa raised the question of whether the current
- routing architecture supported the deployment of this protocol into
- the wider internet. Specifically, the routing architecture of the
- Internet was not designed with multiple exterior gateway protocols,
- as is evidenced by the stress in the transition from EGP to
- BGP.
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- The routing architecture of the Internet needs to change. There are
- many reasons including address depletion and routing table size that
- are likely to cause the current architecture to collapse. It is not
- clear if IDPR is the next step in the evolution of the architecture,
- and a commitment to this protocol as the next EGP is not wise at this
- time.
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- The IDPR people recognize that IDPR is not yet ready to become the
- next EGP, but they do want to standardize the protocol and begin to gain
- the implementation and operational experience with the protocol
- normally associated with the standards track. They are ready for IDPR
- to become a "real" protocol.
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- The Internet does allow for multiple standard protocols, especially
- where they can operate independently. IDPR does have the constituency
- and appears to have the maturity to become a proposed standard based
- on Hinden's criterion for standardizing routing protocols. The
- question for the IESG is whether the IDPR protocol and the other EGP's
- can in fact work independently.
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- Chiappa described the following possible "states".
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- 1) IDPR is an experiment but it is not "real".
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- 2) IDPR is the best long term solution and migration should begin as
- soon as possible.
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- 3) There may be 2 or 3 standards for different EGP's and idpr's with no
- architecture.
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- 4) Make a new architecture which allows "Megadomains with ouija board glue".
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- There is no consensus on a meta-routing architecture, and in it's
- absence the IESG felt handicapped in guiding the work of routing
- protocol development. In the absence of any guiding principles, the
- IESG felt that IDPR should get all the implementation and operational
- experience possible and welcomes all measure to make this happen.
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